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		<title>By: How to Divide Equity to Startup Founders, Advisors, and Employees &#124; thinkspace</title>
		<link>http://startupnorth.ca/2009/09/10/founders-versus-early-employees/comment-page-1/#comment-13123</link>
		<dc:creator>How to Divide Equity to Startup Founders, Advisors, and Employees &#124; thinkspace</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Aug 2011 10:10:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] to figure out how much equity you give to your employees. David Crow writes in his article &#8220;Founders versus Early Employees&#8220;, “Remember the goal is to incent early employees to have an emotional ownership of the [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] to figure out how much equity you give to your employees. David Crow writes in his article &#8220;Founders versus Early Employees&#8220;, “Remember the goal is to incent early employees to have an emotional ownership of the [...]</p>
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		<title>By: &#187; Startup compensation in Canada &#124; StartupNorth</title>
		<link>http://startupnorth.ca/2009/09/10/founders-versus-early-employees/comment-page-1/#comment-11336</link>
		<dc:creator>&#187; Startup compensation in Canada &#124; StartupNorth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Feb 2010 14:59:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] talked about founders and early employees and their equity stakes in the past. I like the model that Paul Graham provides a model for [...]</description>
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		<title>By: &#187; Startup compensation in Canada &#124; StartupNorth</title>
		<link>http://startupnorth.ca/2009/09/10/founders-versus-early-employees/comment-page-1/#comment-7563</link>
		<dc:creator>&#187; Startup compensation in Canada &#124; StartupNorth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Feb 2010 14:59:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] talked about founders and early employees and their equity stakes in the past.Â I like the model that Paul Graham provides a model for [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Sandy Ward</title>
		<link>http://startupnorth.ca/2009/09/10/founders-versus-early-employees/comment-page-1/#comment-7190</link>
		<dc:creator>Sandy Ward</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2009 03:09:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Turnover in a startup can be deadly! But people should also remember that is inevitable...what a good founder needs to watch is the &#039;real why they left&#039;...not what they tell you or what they say in an exit interview? (side note: is anyone crazy enough to really say why you are leaving in an exit interview?)&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;David, the one thing they could have done... &#039;more equity&#039;! Or maybe even more exact...a better equity structure...Sr Biz folks were getting hired with option packages the same as mine...even though I was the lead eng and responsible for a 10 person eng team. An additional grant that said &#039;we really value you&#039; would have been a nice move. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Another tip for new founders, when you employee work together 50+ hours a week...salary/options level will leak out between employees. This isn&#039;t a bad thing if everything is fair...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Turnover in a startup can be deadly! But people should also remember that is inevitable&#8230;what a good founder needs to watch is the &#39;real why they left&#39;&#8230;not what they tell you or what they say in an exit interview? (side note: is anyone crazy enough to really say why you are leaving in an exit interview?)</p>
<p>David, the one thing they could have done&#8230; &#39;more equity&#39;! Or maybe even more exact&#8230;a better equity structure&#8230;Sr Biz folks were getting hired with option packages the same as mine&#8230;even though I was the lead eng and responsible for a 10 person eng team. An additional grant that said &#39;we really value you&#39; would have been a nice move. </p>
<p>Another tip for new founders, when you employee work together 50+ hours a week&#8230;salary/options level will leak out between employees. This isn&#39;t a bad thing if everything is fair&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Sandy Ward</title>
		<link>http://startupnorth.ca/2009/09/10/founders-versus-early-employees/comment-page-1/#comment-11335</link>
		<dc:creator>Sandy Ward</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2009 03:09:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Turnover in a startup can be deadly! But people should also remember that is inevitable...what a good founder needs to watch is the &#039;real why they left&#039;...not what they tell you or what they say in an exit interview? (side note: is anyone crazy enough to really say why you are leaving in an exit interview?)&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;David, the one thing they could have done... &#039;more equity&#039;! Or maybe even more exact...a better equity structure...Sr Biz folks were getting hired with option packages the same as mine...even though I was the lead eng and responsible for a 10 person eng team. An additional grant that said &#039;we really value you&#039; would have been a nice move. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Another tip for new founders, when you employee work together 50+ hours a week...salary/options level will leak out between employees. This isn&#039;t a bad thing if everything is fair...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Turnover in a startup can be deadly! But people should also remember that is inevitable&#8230;what a good founder needs to watch is the &#39;real why they left&#39;&#8230;not what they tell you or what they say in an exit interview? (side note: is anyone crazy enough to really say why you are leaving in an exit interview?)</p>
<p>David, the one thing they could have done&#8230; &#39;more equity&#39;! Or maybe even more exact&#8230;a better equity structure&#8230;Sr Biz folks were getting hired with option packages the same as mine&#8230;even though I was the lead eng and responsible for a 10 person eng team. An additional grant that said &#39;we really value you&#39; would have been a nice move. </p>
<p>Another tip for new founders, when you employee work together 50+ hours a week&#8230;salary/options level will leak out between employees. This isn&#39;t a bad thing if everything is fair&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Sandy Ward</title>
		<link>http://startupnorth.ca/2009/09/10/founders-versus-early-employees/comment-page-1/#comment-8212</link>
		<dc:creator>Sandy Ward</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2009 03:09:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Turnover in a startup can be deadly! But people should also remember that is inevitable...what a good founder needs to watch is the &#039;real why they left&#039;...not what they tell you or what they say in an exit interview? (side note: is anyone crazy enough to really say why you are leaving in an exit interview?)rnrnDavid, the one thing they could have done... &#039;more equity&#039;! Or maybe even more exact...a better equity structure...Sr Biz folks were getting hired with option packages the same as mine...even though I was the lead eng and responsible for a 10 person eng team. An additional grant that said &#039;we really value you&#039; would have been a nice move. rnrnAnother tip for new founders, when you employee work together 50+ hours a week...salary/options level will leak out between employees. This isn&#039;t a bad thing if everything is fair...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Turnover in a startup can be deadly! But people should also remember that is inevitable&#8230;what a good founder needs to watch is the &#8216;real why they left&#8217;&#8230;not what they tell you or what they say in an exit interview? (side note: is anyone crazy enough to really say why you are leaving in an exit interview?)rnrnDavid, the one thing they could have done&#8230; &#8216;more equity&#8217;! Or maybe even more exact&#8230;a better equity structure&#8230;Sr Biz folks were getting hired with option packages the same as mine&#8230;even though I was the lead eng and responsible for a 10 person eng team. An additional grant that said &#8216;we really value you&#8217; would have been a nice move. rnrnAnother tip for new founders, when you employee work together 50+ hours a week&#8230;salary/options level will leak out between employees. This isn&#8217;t a bad thing if everything is fair&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Sandy Ward</title>
		<link>http://startupnorth.ca/2009/09/10/founders-versus-early-employees/comment-page-1/#comment-11337</link>
		<dc:creator>Sandy Ward</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2009 03:09:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Turnover in a startup can be deadly! But people should also remember that is inevitable...what a good founder needs to watch is the &#039;real why they left&#039;...not what they tell you or what they say in an exit interview? (side note: is anyone crazy enough to really say why you are leaving in an exit interview?)rnrnDavid, the one thing they could have done... &#039;more equity&#039;! Or maybe even more exact...a better equity structure...Sr Biz folks were getting hired with option packages the same as mine...even though I was the lead eng and responsible for a 10 person eng team. An additional grant that said &#039;we really value you&#039; would have been a nice move. rnrnAnother tip for new founders, when you employee work together 50+ hours a week...salary/options level will leak out between employees. This isn&#039;t a bad thing if everything is fair...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Turnover in a startup can be deadly! But people should also remember that is inevitable&#8230;what a good founder needs to watch is the &#8216;real why they left&#8217;&#8230;not what they tell you or what they say in an exit interview? (side note: is anyone crazy enough to really say why you are leaving in an exit interview?)rnrnDavid, the one thing they could have done&#8230; &#8216;more equity&#8217;! Or maybe even more exact&#8230;a better equity structure&#8230;Sr Biz folks were getting hired with option packages the same as mine&#8230;even though I was the lead eng and responsible for a 10 person eng team. An additional grant that said &#8216;we really value you&#8217; would have been a nice move. rnrnAnother tip for new founders, when you employee work together 50+ hours a week&#8230;salary/options level will leak out between employees. This isn&#8217;t a bad thing if everything is fair&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: davidcrow</title>
		<link>http://startupnorth.ca/2009/09/10/founders-versus-early-employees/comment-page-1/#comment-7185</link>
		<dc:creator>davidcrow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Sep 2009 14:19:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Reminiscent of Gabor Cselle at Xobni leaving &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/07/23/a-xobni-executive-leaves-the-red-hot-startup-but-why/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/07/23/a-xobni-ex...&lt;/a&gt; who is now working on ReMail &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.remail.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.remail.com/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Sandy this is exactly the point. It can be very difficult to grow and sustain an early stage startup if your early employees aren&#039;t recognized and rewarded. If they are always leaving for their own startups you&#039;ll be spinning your wheels recruiting and not building/shipping/selling the features that customers want.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;What could your previous employer done to keep you interested/engaged? More equity? Better performance pay?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reminiscent of Gabor Cselle at Xobni leaving <a href="http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/07/23/a-xobni-executive-leaves-the-red-hot-startup-but-why/" rel="nofollow">http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/07/23/a-xobni-ex&#8230;</a> who is now working on ReMail <a href="http://www.remail.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.remail.com/</a></p>
<p>Sandy this is exactly the point. It can be very difficult to grow and sustain an early stage startup if your early employees aren&#39;t recognized and rewarded. If they are always leaving for their own startups you&#39;ll be spinning your wheels recruiting and not building/shipping/selling the features that customers want.</p>
<p>What could your previous employer done to keep you interested/engaged? More equity? Better performance pay?</p>
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		<title>By: davidcrow</title>
		<link>http://startupnorth.ca/2009/09/10/founders-versus-early-employees/comment-page-1/#comment-11333</link>
		<dc:creator>davidcrow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Sep 2009 14:19:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Reminiscent of Gabor Cselle at Xobni leaving &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/07/23/a-xobni-executive-leaves-the-red-hot-startup-but-why/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/07/23/a-xobni-ex...&lt;/a&gt; who is now working on ReMail &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.remail.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.remail.com/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Sandy this is exactly the point. It can be very difficult to grow and sustain an early stage startup if your early employees aren&#039;t recognized and rewarded. If they are always leaving for their own startups you&#039;ll be spinning your wheels recruiting and not building/shipping/selling the features that customers want.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;What could your previous employer done to keep you interested/engaged? More equity? Better performance pay?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reminiscent of Gabor Cselle at Xobni leaving <a href="http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/07/23/a-xobni-executive-leaves-the-red-hot-startup-but-why/" rel="nofollow">http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/07/23/a-xobni-ex&#8230;</a> who is now working on ReMail <a href="http://www.remail.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.remail.com/</a></p>
<p>Sandy this is exactly the point. It can be very difficult to grow and sustain an early stage startup if your early employees aren&#39;t recognized and rewarded. If they are always leaving for their own startups you&#39;ll be spinning your wheels recruiting and not building/shipping/selling the features that customers want.</p>
<p>What could your previous employer done to keep you interested/engaged? More equity? Better performance pay?</p>
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		<title>By: Sandy Ward</title>
		<link>http://startupnorth.ca/2009/09/10/founders-versus-early-employees/comment-page-1/#comment-7181</link>
		<dc:creator>Sandy Ward</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Sep 2009 01:51:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One hire that can be tough is the first person after the founders. If this is a senior tech person it can be the worst position because you get a TON of responsibility with limited stock reward (around 1%). (Yes, I am speaking from experience) But on the other hand, having the opportunity to lead a tech-team in a startup is a fantastic learning experience. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Based on that comment, if you are in a startup and unhappy with your equity...just remember with all the experience you are gaining...you will get even more stock next time. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One hire that can be tough is the first person after the founders. If this is a senior tech person it can be the worst position because you get a TON of responsibility with limited stock reward (around 1%). (Yes, I am speaking from experience) But on the other hand, having the opportunity to lead a tech-team in a startup is a fantastic learning experience. </p>
<p>Based on that comment, if you are in a startup and unhappy with your equity&#8230;just remember with all the experience you are gaining&#8230;you will get even more stock next time. :)</p>
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