Comments on: JobLoft post Dragon's Den http://startupnorth.ca/2007/06/28/jobloft-post-dragons-den/ Canadian Startup Community Fri, 03 Feb 2012 02:10:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: JobLoft makes an exit | StartupNorth http://startupnorth.ca/2007/06/28/jobloft-post-dragons-den/comment-page-1/#comment-324 JobLoft makes an exit | StartupNorth Mon, 29 Oct 2007 13:28:18 +0000 http://www.startupnorth.ca/2007/06/28/jobloft-post-dragons-den/#comment-324 [...] the Toronto-based company at the center of the Dragon’s Den soap opera last year has finally been paid their due. In a move that both shows how much you do not want investment from [...] [...] the Toronto-based company at the center of the Dragon’s Den soap opera last year has finally been paid their due. In a move that both shows how much you do not want investment from [...]

]]> By: JobLoft makes an exit | StartupNorth http://startupnorth.ca/2007/06/28/jobloft-post-dragons-den/comment-page-1/#comment-9302 JobLoft makes an exit | StartupNorth Mon, 29 Oct 2007 13:28:18 +0000 http://www.startupnorth.ca/2007/06/28/jobloft-post-dragons-den/#comment-9302 [...] the Toronto-based company at the center of the Dragon’s Den soap opera last year has finally been paid their due. In a move that both shows how much you do not want investment from [...] [...] the Toronto-based company at the center of the Dragon’s Den soap opera last year has finally been paid their due. In a move that both shows how much you do not want investment from [...]

]]> By: Tonight is the night - Dragon’s Den Season 2 - Episode #1 | StartupNorth http://startupnorth.ca/2007/06/28/jobloft-post-dragons-den/comment-page-1/#comment-9301 Tonight is the night - Dragon’s Den Season 2 - Episode #1 | StartupNorth Mon, 01 Oct 2007 21:08:42 +0000 http://www.startupnorth.ca/2007/06/28/jobloft-post-dragons-den/#comment-9301 [...] have made our opinions about the Dragon’s Den known before, so we don’t need to rehash [...] [...] have made our opinions about the Dragon’s Den known before, so we don’t need to rehash [...]

]]> By: Tonight is the night - Dragon’s Den Season 2 - Episode #1 | StartupNorth http://startupnorth.ca/2007/06/28/jobloft-post-dragons-den/comment-page-1/#comment-225 Tonight is the night - Dragon’s Den Season 2 - Episode #1 | StartupNorth Mon, 01 Oct 2007 21:08:42 +0000 http://www.startupnorth.ca/2007/06/28/jobloft-post-dragons-den/#comment-225 [...] have made our opinions about the Dragon’s Den known before, so we don’t need to rehash [...] [...] have made our opinions about the Dragon’s Den known before, so we don’t need to rehash [...]

]]> By: Dragonwatcher http://startupnorth.ca/2007/06/28/jobloft-post-dragons-den/comment-page-1/#comment-9300 Dragonwatcher Sat, 11 Aug 2007 16:55:00 +0000 http://www.startupnorth.ca/2007/06/28/jobloft-post-dragons-den/#comment-9300 I find the arguments around the actual AMOUNT of investment to be quite naive. So what if the Dragons offered 200 k for that split- 200 k was just the START of the journey-- and they would have been in position to either place more money within the company OR RAISE it... and can raise capital a heck of a lot more easily then their four orange tie-d partners. It's also laughable that the prof wouldn't have recognized and invested in the concept. So far, and i've only made a few enquiries, but I haven't been able to track down any guideline or policy that says profs can't invest in school projects. Also-- they were graduates-- not students-- had BEEN students a few years ago. So what's stopping him from coming onboard now? I find the arguments around the actual AMOUNT of investment to be quite naive. So what if the Dragons offered 200 k for that split- 200 k was just the START of the journey– and they would have been in position to either place more money within the company OR RAISE it…
and can raise capital a heck of a lot more easily then their four orange tie-d partners. It’s also laughable that the prof wouldn’t have recognized and invested in the concept. So far, and i’ve only made a few enquiries, but I haven’t been able to track down any guideline or policy that says profs can’t invest in school projects. Also– they were graduates– not students– had BEEN students a few years ago. So what’s stopping him from coming onboard now?

]]> By: Dragonwatcher http://startupnorth.ca/2007/06/28/jobloft-post-dragons-den/comment-page-1/#comment-176 Dragonwatcher Sat, 11 Aug 2007 16:55:00 +0000 http://www.startupnorth.ca/2007/06/28/jobloft-post-dragons-den/#comment-176 I find the arguments around the actual AMOUNT of investment to be quite naive. So what if the Dragons offered 200 k for that split- 200 k was just the START of the journey-- and they would have been in position to either place more money within the company OR RAISE it... and can raise capital a heck of a lot more easily then their four orange tie-d partners. It's also laughable that the prof wouldn't have recognized and invested in the concept. So far, and i've only made a few enquiries, but I haven't been able to track down any guideline or policy that says profs can't invest in school projects. Also-- they were graduates-- not students-- had BEEN students a few years ago. So what's stopping him from coming onboard now? I find the arguments around the actual AMOUNT of investment to be quite naive. So what if the Dragons offered 200 k for that split- 200 k was just the START of the journey– and they would have been in position to either place more money within the company OR RAISE it…
and can raise capital a heck of a lot more easily then their four orange tie-d partners. It’s also laughable that the prof wouldn’t have recognized and invested in the concept. So far, and i’ve only made a few enquiries, but I haven’t been able to track down any guideline or policy that says profs can’t invest in school projects. Also– they were graduates– not students– had BEEN students a few years ago. So what’s stopping him from coming onboard now?

]]> By: Jon / BlogThot.com http://startupnorth.ca/2007/06/28/jobloft-post-dragons-den/comment-page-1/#comment-9299 Jon / BlogThot.com Sun, 08 Jul 2007 20:09:40 +0000 http://www.startupnorth.ca/2007/06/28/jobloft-post-dragons-den/#comment-9299 Jevon, great point. You have to wonder what JobLoft's valuation is now (with the founders still in place)! Jevon, great point. You have to wonder what JobLoft’s valuation is now (with the founders still in place)!

]]> By: Jon / BlogThot.com http://startupnorth.ca/2007/06/28/jobloft-post-dragons-den/comment-page-1/#comment-112 Jon / BlogThot.com Sun, 08 Jul 2007 20:09:40 +0000 http://www.startupnorth.ca/2007/06/28/jobloft-post-dragons-den/#comment-112 Jevon, great point. You have to wonder what JobLoft's valuation is now (with the founders still in place)! Jevon, great point. You have to wonder what JobLoft’s valuation is now (with the founders still in place)!

]]> By: Jevon MacDonald http://startupnorth.ca/2007/06/28/jobloft-post-dragons-den/comment-page-1/#comment-9298 Jevon MacDonald Fri, 29 Jun 2007 10:54:01 +0000 http://www.startupnorth.ca/2007/06/28/jobloft-post-dragons-den/#comment-9298 You know, "The Dragons" really promoted the fact that they have a lot of connections and that their existing businesses could use JobLoft to promote it, but I think it is pretty short sighted to believe that giving up additional share of your company (to the point of 50%) for those reasons. Laurence Lewin and Jim Treliving are two very successful canadian retailers. They are more successful than any of us, that is for sure, but they are also only successful (in their flagship businesses) here in Canada, and their businesses only have a relatively small market share. In North America, their market share is tiny. Why would you give up your company at a premium so that you can get a couple of mid-size niche businesses as clients? Wouldn't JobLoft be better off trying to earn their own clients (rather than buy them, with JobLoft shares). Being the Boston Pizza and La Senza exclusive recruiting site would, quite simply, alienate other potential clients. That is a huge issue in fast food, especially here in Canada where the market is very fragmented. Would you pay $200,000 in order to get a handful of clients paying you a couple hundred dollars each? It just makes <b>no sense at all</b>. Also, you are right, after having 50% of the company, the dragons most likely would have wanted to invest more. In fact, they probably would have issued a new controlling share class, and then would have promptly bought up vast majorities of it, diluting the founders out of the company (don't let the door hit you on the way out). You know, “The Dragons” really promoted the fact that they have a lot of connections and that their existing businesses could use JobLoft to promote it, but I think it is pretty short sighted to believe that giving up additional share of your company (to the point of 50%) for those reasons.

Laurence Lewin and Jim Treliving are two very successful canadian retailers. They are more successful than any of us, that is for sure, but they are also only successful (in their flagship businesses) here in Canada, and their businesses only have a relatively small market share. In North America, their market share is tiny.

Why would you give up your company at a premium so that you can get a couple of mid-size niche businesses as clients? Wouldn’t JobLoft be better off trying to earn their own clients (rather than buy them, with JobLoft shares). Being the Boston Pizza and La Senza exclusive recruiting site would, quite simply, alienate other potential clients. That is a huge issue in fast food, especially here in Canada where the market is very fragmented.

Would you pay $200,000 in order to get a handful of clients paying you a couple hundred dollars each? It just makes no sense at all.

Also, you are right, after having 50% of the company, the dragons most likely would have wanted to invest more. In fact, they probably would have issued a new controlling share class, and then would have promptly bought up vast majorities of it, diluting the founders out of the company (don’t let the door hit you on the way out).

]]> By: Jevon MacDonald http://startupnorth.ca/2007/06/28/jobloft-post-dragons-den/comment-page-1/#comment-104 Jevon MacDonald Fri, 29 Jun 2007 10:54:01 +0000 http://www.startupnorth.ca/2007/06/28/jobloft-post-dragons-den/#comment-104 You know, "The Dragons" really promoted the fact that they have a lot of connections and that their existing businesses could use JobLoft to promote it, but I think it is pretty short sighted to believe that giving up additional share of your company (to the point of 50%) for those reasons. Laurence Lewin and Jim Treliving are two very successful canadian retailers. They are more successful than any of us, that is for sure, but they are also only successful (in their flagship businesses) here in Canada, and their businesses only have a relatively small market share. In North America, their market share is tiny. Why would you give up your company at a premium so that you can get a couple of mid-size niche businesses as clients? Wouldn't JobLoft be better off trying to earn their own clients (rather than buy them, with JobLoft shares). Being the Boston Pizza and La Senza exclusive recruiting site would, quite simply, alienate other potential clients. That is a huge issue in fast food, especially here in Canada where the market is very fragmented. Would you pay $200,000 in order to get a handful of clients paying you a couple hundred dollars each? It just makes <b>no sense at all</b>. Also, you are right, after having 50% of the company, the dragons most likely would have wanted to invest more. In fact, they probably would have issued a new controlling share class, and then would have promptly bought up vast majorities of it, diluting the founders out of the company (don't let the door hit you on the way out). You know, “The Dragons” really promoted the fact that they have a lot of connections and that their existing businesses could use JobLoft to promote it, but I think it is pretty short sighted to believe that giving up additional share of your company (to the point of 50%) for those reasons.

Laurence Lewin and Jim Treliving are two very successful canadian retailers. They are more successful than any of us, that is for sure, but they are also only successful (in their flagship businesses) here in Canada, and their businesses only have a relatively small market share. In North America, their market share is tiny.

Why would you give up your company at a premium so that you can get a couple of mid-size niche businesses as clients? Wouldn’t JobLoft be better off trying to earn their own clients (rather than buy them, with JobLoft shares). Being the Boston Pizza and La Senza exclusive recruiting site would, quite simply, alienate other potential clients. That is a huge issue in fast food, especially here in Canada where the market is very fragmented.

Would you pay $200,000 in order to get a handful of clients paying you a couple hundred dollars each? It just makes no sense at all.

Also, you are right, after having 50% of the company, the dragons most likely would have wanted to invest more. In fact, they probably would have issued a new controlling share class, and then would have promptly bought up vast majorities of it, diluting the founders out of the company (don’t let the door hit you on the way out).

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